| 0:00:03.16 | 4.9s | Portia LaMarr | Scrolling through TikTok, that's what I do best. Um, as for |
| 0:00:08.5 | 2.1s | Ingrid Nuttall | now, for now, Portia, for now, |
| 0:00:10.39 | 0.8s | Portia LaMarr | what did you do when |
| 0:00:11.19 | 2.1s | Roslyn Perry | TikTok shut down for 6 hours? I |
| 0:00:13.27 | 19.4s | Portia LaMarr | know what happened? The longest 12 hours of my life, not this one. Um, I felt like, um, oh boy in Color Purple. I packed up my stuff, got my dividends out of TikTok, and moved on. Like, I go. Let me close this piano if you know you know that movie, but anyhow, um. |
| 0:00:48.38 | 80.7s | Ingrid Nuttall | Hi, AACRAO Community. Welcome to another episode of Heard, our first of 2025. A quick note at the top, Portia, Tashana and I are giving a lot of thought to how this podcast needs to meet the moment we are in to be something useful and meaningful for you all. We always want to hear from you, but even more so now, so please consider emailing us at heard@aacrao.org. Or reach out to us individually. We will also be looking for different ways to reach out to you. OK, enough housekeeping. For this episode, we had the joy of connecting with Roslyn Perry, ACro's vice president for access and equity and registrar and associate dean of records at Allegheny College. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion or DEI is at the front and center of the current political agenda. And it is dominating so much discourse. We spoke to Raz about how she sees this affecting her institution, how AACRAO is beginning conversations about supporting the community, and what safe space even means. Who is it safe for actually. This episode is more of a discussion than a formal interview. So we'll start with Raj sharing a bit about her background and the foundation that helped make her who she is before you join us for our conversation. All right, let's get started. Here's the one, the only, Roslyn Perry. |
| 0:02:13.33 | 0.8s | Roslyn Perry | Hi |
| 0:02:14.8 | 0.6s | Ingrid Nuttall | everybody, |
| 0:02:15.36 | 358.2s | Roslyn Perry | um, so glad to be here. My name is Roslyn Perry and I am currently the registrar and associate dean of records at Allegheny College in Meadville, Pennsylvania. Um, that is my day job, but I also have the privilege of serving as the um Aro vice president of Access and Equity on the board of directors. I have currently been in higher education for over 35 years. So, uh, I am a seasoned higher education professional. Um, I started my higher ed journey on the finance side of the house, um, starting in the Bursar's office, and I worked in the Bursar's office for 11 years, and then I jumped over to the other side, the registrar side of the house, or records and registration. And uh I've been there ever since. So I did 5 years at um a specialty school at a law school, um and then really, really started my uh registrar activity. After that, so, um, my higher ed journey has, um, it's, it's taken me so many places and it has put me in so many spaces, and for that I am, I am truly, truly grateful. Um, one thing that I, I think I, I try to tell people when I have to speak or um when people, when people ask me to describe myself. Um, a lot of times you will have people who will introduce themselves and, you know, they were the product of a broken home or they were a product of a single parent household or um. You know, they lived in the inner cities and things like that. I tell people right off the bat, I do not have a hard luck story. Um, I was fortunate enough to have both of my parents up until um up until 2.5 years ago when my dad passed away, my parents were married for 58 years. Um, My parents were blue collar individuals, as a matter of fact, my dad was considered blue collar. He was uh over the road semi truck driver. My mother was a stay at home mom. Um, I am so sometimes I used to feel like in my earlier days when I first started in higher education and when I really got into mentorship and people would ask me to do speaking um speaking engagements and I used to really feel guilty because of my upbringing, um, but I, but now I don't, I don't feel guilty anymore because The way I was raised and and being raised in a two-parent household, I think it has made me, it has shaped me into the individual that I am today. I will never forget. When I was talking to my dad one day, he was out washing the car and I was talking to him and I was like my sophomore year of high school and I said, I know what I wanna do when I graduate, and he said, well, what do you wanna do? And I said, I'm gonna be a truck driver. My dad threw that sponge in the bucket and he looked at me and he said, You will not drive a truck. He says, I drive a truck, so you don't have to drive a truck. He said, you're going to college, and it was from that day on that I knew, OK, this is what I have to do. I have to go to college. Um, back when I was in college back, I call it the Stone Age, back in the stone age when I was in college, um, the, the terms were not there. So while I was a first generation college student. I had no idea I was a first generation college student. Um, so some of the, the things that, um, first generation college students go through, did, did they plague me? Yes, they did, but because of The strength of my parents in that two-parent household. I had no idea that I was being put through hell as a first generation black student. At my institution. Um, So I'm grateful. I am grateful for the way I was raised. I'm grateful for the way I was brought up. Um, but I also recognize that there are people out here who do have those stories. There are people out here that because of my strength and the way I was brought up, that I am able to to pour that strength into them and let them know that you are more than just what you are being labeled or what you have been labeled, and I, I pride myself. Um, being um sometimes some colleagues in Aro call me the Uber mentor. And so I pride myself on being the Uber mentor because um I feel like I've established myself in Aro where people do not have a problem coming to see me or talk to me or seek me out for guidance or for mentorship, and I'm, I'm grateful for that. So I am very honored and I am very humbled to be here. My pronouns are she or hers, um. And and I'm just, this is just a great, uh, a great opportunity. Thank you so much for having me today. I appreciate it. |
| 0:08:14.58 | 6.8s | Portia LaMarr | What are some good things that we can do to just maintain daily daily operations? What, what, what can be done? |
| 0:08:21.97 | 151.1s | Roslyn Perry | I think it depends. I think it depends on which perspective you're looking at it from, so. Um, you know, we have, we have a, a lot of um. Hispanic students, we have a lot of international students. We, um, you know, we've had to have meetings, we've had to have, you know, our provost and um our dean of um diversity, uh, equity and inclusion had to get out in front of all of this because students were constantly lined up in their offices, like, you know, how is this going to affect me? Am I gonna be sitting in class and someone's gonna come and get me and take me away, um. You know, so, so I think as. Higher ed professionals from the student perspective as a higher education professional dealing with a student. I need to be, I don't need, I need to be able to not let them see me sweat. So no matter how concerned I am, no matter how fearful I am, no matter how angry I am, I cannot um display that to my students, OK? I need to be able to say to them, we are on top of the situation, as we get updates, you will get updates, you know, as things shake out, we will be the first to let you all know. Um, I think from. Um, a higher a higher perspective as a higher professional. Um, dealing with my colleagues. Um, you know, I just, I need to express support. And I need to let them know, you know, I'm here for you. Which I mean I, I think I've done that just from day one, you know, if anybody, you know, no one has ever, I don't think anyone has ever been able to say as one of my colleagues, well, you know, I really want to talk to Ross, but I just don't feel like I can because I don't feel like she'll hear me or I don't feel like she'll give me an honest perspective, you know, or things like that. But um, you know, it's, it's two, it's two things. It's, it's, it's two separate. Entities, um. And it gets exhausting because you have to put on your, I'm here for the student hat, and then you have to put on, I'm here for my colleague's hat. And like Portia said, you know, we're so passionate in higher education, so it takes a toll at times. |
| 0:10:54.26 | 63.3s | Ingrid Nuttall | This conversation is making me think of um some of the impact that the current environment could have on what information we collect from students and also What information we already have that we make very, very present in public based on what we have thought students' wishes are, like I'm thinking about things like preferred name. Um, I, I'm wondering what your perspective is, maybe it's something that you're thinking about too from your role at Acro about how to kind of navigate the Idea of belonging and like creating an environment where people can feel belong and the sort of registrar institutional data steward role of anyone, really, not just registrar, but like anyone in this profession, particularly enrollment professionals, um, like balancing those things, belonging and data stewardship in this particular environment. |
| 0:11:58.15 | 6.0s | Roslyn Perry | You know what, it's so, it's so new right now, um. |
| 0:12:06.23 | 334.2s | Roslyn Perry | Uh, because I was, I was, as I listen every day or, or I see things on the news every day, for example, yesterday I um saw on the news about uh the whole Title 9 and and the transgender athletes, um. You know, and it, it just seems like every day there is something new that's coming in. Our institution has talked about. You know, how are we gonna navigate this, um, you know, excuse me, what are What are we going to do and our president has assured us that we are going to continue in the manner that we have been operating under, um, you know, before these executive orders were signed and if we are forced to make any changes because of um governmental regulations, um, that will pivot at that time, um, these are also some of the pieces that. I think we will have to begin to talk about in at Aro on the board, um. You know, we haven't, we've talked about it a little bit, um, we have an in-person board meeting in DC next week as a matter of fact, um, where the board will come together for see, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 3 days or so, um, and begin talking about. You know, some of these issues, we will have um an update from our government relations person at AACRAO, Bill Gill. Um, he'll come in, you know, and give us an update and let us know some of the things that are going on that might start to um Impact the association and the membership uh as a whole, but I think that. You know, the president hasn't even been, he hasn't even been in office for 30 good days. Stuff is hitting so fast and so heavy, um, to the point where, you know, it, it's like how, how do you wrap your head around it? And these are also some of the conversations that like we started having these conversations during our our caucus gatherings, um. So much so to the point where we decided to continue the conversations outside of the caucus gatherings because we were at a point where, you know, we were like how do we prep for this? What do we start to do? How can we like you said, Ingrid, how can we be proactive um in our approaches instead of reactive um I think from. The AACRAO um board, I think from the AACRAO board perspective. You know, in terms of belonging, I think we need to try to keep doing what we're doing. There are a lot of initiatives that Acro is trying to roll out that um. That touches on our strategic plan and and one of the targets on our strategic plan was the inclusiveness and so, you know, I think what we can try to do, you know, is maybe enhance that piece of the strategic plan. The question is how do we plan on doing that? Do we, um, you know, last year at the AACRAO annual meeting, um, black caucus members, there was, there was a room, a safe space for um black caucus members if, if we just, we're just tired and I don't mean physically tired, I mean mentally tired, fatigue, mentally fatigued, you know, if we just wanted to go in there and just decompress or or sit and talk to our colleagues in a way. That you know, you, you can't do that in other spaces, um, you know, is, do we do that in Seattle, you know, do we do that for all of the, do we give that to all of the caucuses? Um, you know, these are some of the questions that will probably be discussed or come out of um. The board meeting that we're the in-person board meeting that we're attending next week, um, but you know, I think a lot of it right now. I don't wanna say wait and see, but you know, we have to stay tuned. We have to stay tuned because we have to see. You know, what can we do? How is this going to affect people? One thing I was concerned about, um. With the DEI ruling was whether or not any of our DEI related sessions or our group 5 related sessions if um presenters were going to say no I can't present any longer, but so far after talking to the group 5 program coordinator, um no one has canceled any type of sessions such as that, so I'm very pleased to hear that those sessions will go on and that's another avenue where, you know, the membership um. Can go, they can attend these sessions, you know, they can uh they can gain a sense of belonging from these sessions. They can, they, a lot of those sessions are considered safe spaces, and we tell people, uh, presenters tell people this, you know, this is a safe space when you, when you come in here and so they, you know, they're able to address what what is bothering them and sometimes even if it's not a safe space, it's the conversation or or the the way the conversation just ends up evolving, it just rolls out. And there's a discussion that that takes place anyway. So, you know, I think at this point, um, you know, I'm playing it by ear. I don't have a lot of time to play it by ear. I really and truly don't because it just seems like. Um, the folks up on the hill are doing a whole lot of stuff really, really fast, and that's the part that is really concerning me. |
| 0:17:41.60 | 85.8s | Ingrid Nuttall | I, I think your comment about a safe space is something that I've been giving some different thought to. Which is I don't want a mistake for myself safe space, being a place where I'm in a room with a bunch of people that have the same opinions as me and the same. Experiences like all of that sort of assumed sameness that makes you just feel safe, right? Because you're not confronted with anything that makes you uncomfortable. And the earliest parts of this podcast, we talked about how and interview people who said like, it's super important to be uncomfortable and have uncomfortable conversations. And so I've been trying to think about how a safe space needs to cut that way too, right? It isn't just about like. Interrogating myself and my own um like how white supremacy has had an effect on, on me, right? It is also Being in spaces where I am in relationship with people that might not feel super comfortable because we're coming at things from a super different perspective. And so I'm wondering like at at Acro like even just that example in a session, how to articulate that in a way that is inclusive, right? Like that does create a sense of belonging for people while also protecting. People who are Most vulnerable. I don't know what your thoughts are on that or if anybody has comments. |
| 0:19:07.72 | 63.6s | Portia LaMarr | It's so interesting that you, that, that your perspective is that way because I was when I was talking safe space, I knew exactly what it meant. I knew exactly how I would be in it cause it's that moment of I'm just gonna call it what it is, that moment of now I don't need to code switch right now. I could be in a room with people where I can just, you know, talk normally. However, it can be viewed as Exclusive. You only, you know, you only have this, you can only be be in this room if you're this, if you're that. And this is like, yeah, yeah, like I didn't, I didn't even realize from your perspective, Ingrid, it's like, but wait, I wanna be over there, but I don't, I wanna give you a space, but at the same time. It's work, you know, on both ends, cause you're uncomfortable. Now we have to be, and I'm not trying to pick groups together, but it's just more of like now, you know, I can't be me. Hopefully maybe one day I could. I don't know. I don't know. That is, that is a, a uh uh uh interesting road to navigate. |
| 0:20:11.43 | 31.7s | Ingrid Nuttall | I think you, I think that's just it, right? Like you. You have to code, you have to code switch. And we've talked about that too like there's circumstances where I, I'm sure I, I know I do some like code switching. We even joked about coming over here and I come over to the recording and I use my podcast voice, right? Like, I always try not to use my stupid Minnesota accent. I've worked really hard at it. That is so different. That is so different than. You and like being like I know that I don't have to code switch when I'm at the black caucus. Those things are not the same and |
| 0:20:43.81 | 12.0s | Portia LaMarr | they're not the same, but they're your story, you know what I mean like that is that is the essential root of it all. I can't be me because I am perceived to be something else over in these |
| 0:20:55.76 | 5.3s | Ingrid Nuttall | spaces, right. Ross, how do we deal with that? |
| 0:21:02.31 | 2.1s | Portia LaMarr | Oh Lord, um. |
| 0:21:07.51 | 19.9s | Roslyn Perry | I'll be honest, Ingrid, and, and I, I'm, I'm, I'm like Portia like I didn't. I have never looked at a safe space in that way. Um, I've, I've always looked at a safe space as. Oh Lord, let me be able to go in here with my people and just be able to be like, child, |
| 0:21:28.80 | 6.4s | Portia LaMarr | ma'am, exactly, and you just only have to say those two words and everybody in the room I know knows what's |
| 0:21:35.16 | 110.0s | Roslyn Perry | right, knows what's going on, you know, um, so I really appreciate the perspective that you're bringing in, um, but I think our question. Is that really a safe space? That's, I think that's the piece that I, I question because I'm always up for a good dialogue. I'm always up for um some people being uncomfortable in the conversation and then others being OK in the conversation and those conversations are good to have, they're very necessary, very necessary. But what type of space do we have that conversation in? Because I don't know if it's necessarily a safe space, and I think. And also I think what we try to do with what you're speaking of, Ingrid. And and Portia and Tashana, correct me if you think I'm, if you think I'm, I'm going coming out of left field. Angry, I don't know if. Two people in a room to have that comfortable, uncomfortable conversation. Is gonna go like it would go in a safe space, you see what I'm saying? And if you notice, when we do have those types of interactions, what do we have in there? We have a moderator, a facilitator, a mediator, um. You know, so I, I don't know. I know I have never, I know when I've been in those types of situations, things end up getting heated. They really and truly do, unless and and even at times when there's a moderator or facilitator, they get heated. I, I, I think there's a difference and so what, what do we do about that? I don't, |
| 0:23:25.27 | 0.4s | Portia LaMarr | I |
| 0:23:25.67 | 0.7s | Roslyn Perry | don't know. |
| 0:23:26.58 | 10.2s | Portia LaMarr | I think that I, you, you, you hit it right there, Ros, and I, and I feel like listeners, this is not intended to beat up on Ingrid like this is just, you know, no, it's not off of |
| 0:23:36.82 | 6.1s | Ingrid Nuttall | her question. Oh my gosh, I do not take it that way at all. I love it. It's all about me. I'm just |
| 0:23:42.91 | 126.4s | Portia LaMarr | kidding. I feel like, yeah, though I. First statement is first. People will people, right? You know, so we can't these the idea of having these uncomfortable conversations. are always great. But at the end of it we have to realize people are going to be who they are no matter what, right? 12, I believe that Ingrid, you don't give yourself enough credit for what you are doing. You are doing the work because a lot of this, this self-learning and and learning is those personal relationships that don't need a room. It doesn't need a moderator. It doesn't need any of all of that. It is just the fact that you are being a human. Be interested in another human being in a way that it is not invasive, in a way that it is not in um making the other person go into their safe space saying girl, like it is not, it's not in that manner. It is, I'm just genuine and this is who I am. Exactly. I feel that a lot of people feel like it has to be this formal way of doing things when it's when it's not the only way. And even if we did do that formal way, that formal way does not mean we come come out singing the Coca-Cola commercial song world will be like that it's not, it's not one session doesn't change it. So it, it is work because just like we think about it with um A weight loss journey. Just cause you walked on the treadmill once don't mean you're about to lose that weight instantly. It took years, years and years to build that on the same way in our society. This is years and years and years of damage. It's gonna take years and years and years to and maybe more years after these 4 years, but to, to. Exercise that muscle to think differently. And everybody has their own time. I should be working out 5 days a week, but I sure didn't this week, so. You know, it, it, it takes, it takes time. But Ingrid, look |
| 0:25:49.28 | 60.7s | Roslyn Perry | at like you're asking me like Ros, what should we do? But if you stop and think about it. Look at what you're doing now. Like this is your space. You have a podcast that is diversity forward. With two black women. And when and and when I first heard your story in terms of how I think you had said that you there uh Sasha, Lord have mercy. Portia was in a session and after, after Portia was in that session, you were like, I have got to partner up with her. This is your space, Ingrid. This is your space. Like there have been times and, and the three of you have said, there's been times where you have called each other out on the carpet for different things. That's, this is your space. Now what you need, Ingrid, is the safe space so you'd be like, oh my God, I can't believe Portia |
| 0:26:50.0 | 26.4s | Ingrid Nuttall | shit she said can I tell you actually the difference when you said that, um, when you said Ros, what should you when when you refer back to what I said, the, the me that started having these conversations with Portia and Tashana. Three years ago would have said to that Ingrid, how dare you ask a black woman to fix your problems for you |
| 0:27:16.41 | 0.2s | Portia LaMarr | see |
| 0:27:18.17 | 12.5s | Ingrid Nuttall | and this Ingrid is like It doesn't, isn't, I don't see you. Like, I, of course see you as like a black woman and |
| 0:27:30.68 | 2.3s | Portia LaMarr | I was like. |
| 0:27:33.81 | 101.1s | Ingrid Nuttall | Of course, but there was no part of that like. editing my Engagement with you in this space to be like, don't say that it is not Ros's problem to fix because we're here having this conversation and I'm being silly and I think your point, like Portia, what you said, like the whole thing about relationships, that is that the safe space is um if you are in a space with people that you don't know and whose experiences you don't understand, um. And you don't know whether or not you can make that promise because you're not close to people, that is an opportunity. Like that's, that's always an opportunity and it might not be, you might not be able to promise it. From the jump because you just might not have the, like, literally the tools in your toolbox or the people to do that. And I think what we talked about um Ros, last time the three of us just had like a conversation is we are really focusing on like our, our people, like our, our relationships and the people we care about and I think I'm trying to expand my circle of people I care about, but not expand it like in these big, big, big. Groups that I'm never going to have a relationship with, like I'm really trying to be local with friends that I and, and, and develop friendships where I get to know people and it feels smaller, but it also feels. More real and happy and joyful and not angry and fearful. |
| 0:29:15.22 | 19.8s | Tashana Curtis | And, and Ingrid, I, you know, I want to just say, you've never assumed, you've always asked questions and I think that makes a difference because a lot of people look at you, as size me up, and assume, but you don't, you've never done that. You've always asked questions and I appreciate you for that. |
| 0:29:36.20 | 11.8s | Ingrid Nuttall | I love you so much. I just thought you're so cool. Tashana and I were in that first session together, and I was like, look at her. I just wanna be around cool |
| 0:29:48.0 | 93.5s | Portia LaMarr | people. I mean, yeah, that's the takeaway. I mean, honestly, just, I mean, Ingrid, you could do a TED Talk, but uh that it would need to be prefaced with. Everybody ain't me. OK, you know, do this the best way you know. Thank the Lord. But I also, I, my approach, it's to me is, is, is POV. I'm always trying to understand the other person's point of view. Good or bad, whether it aligns with me or not. I just think it is a good start to just be like. Where, where, what you, what lenses are you looking at things through? OK, now I know what I'm dealing with and how to approach it. I mean, I have, and again, the more the relationship is built, the more the tougher the conversations can be. It may not never get there. You, it may not be your ministry. To touch everybody, you know what I'm saying? You only touch who you can touch, and I don't mean it in that manner. So all these little thanking thankers out here talking about touching. I don't mean it like that. What I mean is being able to You are in people's lives for a reason and a season sometimes. And I don't mean to get biblical, but that's just what it is. And your ministry may not be for everyone. It is who it is for and you will know it because those relationships start to build. You can't get and reach and teach everybody, cool. There is someone else along the line who was thinking, OK, I know how you are, I know how to approach you and maybe they can. Maybe those ideas can change. It is, it's just, it's We're huge. It's a lot of people on this planet. |
| 0:31:23.53 | 0.2s | Portia LaMarr | Yes, |
| 0:31:23.84 | 81.8s | Roslyn Perry | and, and, and, and Ingrid, what I think you also need to realize is, um, you know, you know, um, us folks, we, we're all about, you know, the amen and the, and, and relating things back to the Bible and everything, um, but this is your ministry. This is your ministry, like, Ingrid, you live in Minnesota. Minnesota, OK. So, you know, so the fact that you have been doing this podcast with these, all three of you are phenomenal, with these phenomenal women, um. you know, if, if there is someone out there who is on the fence about learning about relationships um with people different from them and, you know, how to even start or how to approach that. I mean, you were a perfect example. People should be able to come and talk to you and say, you know what, I, you're on that He podcast. How did you get started with that? Oh, and, and, and let's keep it real. Some people are, some women are are or people are out there like, oh my God, you weren't intimidated? Oh my God, you know, and you have a story to tell. You always have to look at it from that perspective. You have a story to tell, Ingrid. Because of this podcast, |
| 0:32:46.54 | 0.2s | Portia LaMarr | yeah, and |
| 0:32:46.71 | 2.6s | Tashana Curtis | when you get them cornrows, you'll have the better story. |
| 0:32:51.68 | 2.9s | Ingrid Nuttall | I will have to, I will have to have someone help me tell that story. |
| 0:32:55.13 | 2.0s | Portia LaMarr | Oh my God. Now look, now |
| 0:32:57.11 | 19.0s | Ingrid Nuttall | you're making me, you're making me all I wanna say. I would lie and say I have something in my eyes, which you're making it when you're making my heart well up and even though I want to crawl under a table because so much of the last few minutes has been about me, what a like true, unbelievable, unbelievable gift. |
| 0:33:16.17 | 30.1s | Portia LaMarr | That's what I was gonna say. That's what I was going to mention. I was gonna be like, now y'all have witnessed black women, big ups and a white girl, OK? Don't y'all go out and think that that's what we do. This is because of a relationship that has been built. She big ups us as much as we big up her. So don't you be thinking like, oh, but y'all did just witness a whole bunch of white black girls big up in the white lady and you know people who, |
| 0:33:46.32 | 8.0s | Roslyn Perry | who are listening to this who are colleagues of mine, they know me and they know I don't, I don't give big up big ups to a lot of people. |
| 0:33:54.31 | 0.9s | Portia LaMarr | You know, and |
| 0:33:55.23 | 5.8s | Tashana Curtis | Ingrid, you know I said this before. You need me. You just call me up. I got Vaseline and A. |
| 0:34:01.0 | 4.3s | Ingrid Nuttall | I know you're, you are my person. You are, |
| 0:34:05.39 | 7.4s | Portia LaMarr | you are, yeah, because, because I ain't gonna go too far because I don't. Tashana will play with her nails. I don't play with that. I'm, I'm not breaking no nails |
| 0:34:13.77 | 27.1s | Ingrid Nuttall | and it's so good to have, um, I, and I hope. I mean, I think you just said, I'm in, I am in your corner, like, you call on me for anything. I have many uh superhero talents, yet undiscovered, yet untapped. Um I know how to get things done. So I am also here for all of you and it is an honor. It is like just a joy to be in the corner of all of you and have you in mind. |
| 0:34:41.60 | 0.8s | Tashana Curtis | I did know |
| 0:34:42.37 | 5.3s | Portia LaMarr | that. Oh, I have a song, but I can't remember this the beginning of it. I'm like, |
| 0:34:47.84 | 0.6s | Tashana Curtis | bye y'all. |
| 0:34:50.82 | 7.4s | Portia LaMarr | No, um, what was that old song, um, I'm gonna come in the middle. 00, it's called No Dionne Warwick, |
| 0:34:58.66 | 1.6s | Ingrid Nuttall | No Dionne Warwick, not James Taylor, |
| 0:35:00.34 | 6.0s | Portia LaMarr | OK, um. You know she'd be like for good times and bad times. |
| 0:35:06.85 | 1.2s | Roslyn Perry | That's what friends are for. |
| 0:35:08.3 | 0.0s | Portia LaMarr | Yes, |
| 0:35:10.44 | 0.1s | Roslyn Perry | her |
| 0:35:10.57 | 0.2s | Portia LaMarr | and |
| 0:35:10.77 | 0.7s | Roslyn Perry | Gladys Knight. |
| 0:35:11.57 | 10.6s | Portia LaMarr | Yes, that's what friends are remix. Do the remix. AACRAO a good penny because I just, I know, so I'll stop. |
| 0:35:23.40 | 25.4s | Roslyn Perry | Oh my goodness. So let me ask you all a question. What um I, so you know, I'm at the little bitty school, but, and I know Portia is at the huge bitty, huge, huge school, um. How are your institutions handling all of this? Have you had communications from your cabinet level, at your cabinet level, or, you know, is it business as usual or have things, have you started to notice changes? |
| 0:35:49.26 | 61.9s | Portia LaMarr | Um, well, that, that's, that's the beauty of, you know, this, this group because we are at different institutions and looking from different lenses. Um, me being over on the IT side, some things has trickled over to us, um, but not yet, but we are preparing for the floodgates. Like we are like, OK, we know like projects are being set as normal that we already had in the plan, but we are also mindful of. What this fallout means um. A lot of stuff was done. Um, with other, you know, legislations that had came out, um, you know, especially with admissions and, and DEI and all that stuff, so a lot of changes were already made, um, but I don't, I don't know, I don't know. I'm not in those spaces, but I hear, I do hear the rumblings. I do hear the this could happen. Let's prepare, just, I mean, and this is just based on different applications, websites, and the language that is on, so |
| 0:36:51.40 | 0.4s | Roslyn Perry | yeah. |
| 0:36:52.61 | 0.7s | Portia LaMarr | OK. |
| 0:36:55.29 | 121.9s | Ingrid Nuttall | Um, I would say very similar to to what Portia said. I feel like it has been what you said before, Ros, about like that like. Take it down, like, let's be, let's be, I'm gonna use the word professionals but just like we have jobs, let's do our jobs. That is. Really what I feel has been going on in my office, um, is everybody being aware of that things could change, things change a ton at my institution anyway, right? Like we are in multiple states, we're in multiple countries. So like my whole world about um privacy isn't just informed by FERPA and state laws, it's informed too by like laws around the world. Yeah, so that's been like a really Interesting that isn't even the right word like. A really wonderful way to think about the. The global impact of things too, um, so that's, that's how I feel. I will also say that I think people have been checking in on a more micro level. I think people have been checking in on each other a lot and doing so in ways that kind of reflect what we were saying earlier of like not assuming that they know. That they're, that they're putting out there where everybody should be at, but really like. How, how are you doing, um, because no matter where you, no matter where you are, there is just, there's a lot, there's a lot, there's a lot of information, there's a lot of change, there would be a lot of change, um. No matter what, given all of the things that are happening in the world at large. And so there's been a lot of more checking in on people individually, including me. I will just have people text me and I really, really appreciate that. And then it gives, it makes me stop and be like, that's a good question. I don't know. How am I doing? Um, so I think that's it. So what about you. |
| 0:38:57.44 | 29.2s | Tashana Curtis | And then for me, um. Business as usual. I mean, I haven't heard anything on my level. I'm not sure if there's anything going above, you know, going um on a level above me. Um, but again, it's business as usual, I think we're just being more aware of what's going on. Um. Yeah, just pretty much just being more aware and just having eyes open, just in case. |
| 0:39:27.50 | 155.0s | Roslyn Perry | Yeah, I, I, I completely agree. I think, um, you know, I remember right after the inauguration because I didn't watch the inauguration, but right after that, um, I was just sitting here in my office one day and I said let me check on my peoples and, and so I went in exchange and, and just did like 12 simple lines like, hey y'all all right, you know, um, and just the thread of responses that it sparked, I was shocked. You know, I just expected people like, yeah, I'm all right, or no, I'm not all right, but I'll live, you know, but I mean, oh my gosh, you know, people are like, yeah, well I gotta do this and I'm trying to protect my peace and like I need to breathe and yeah, I'm going to sit my feet in the water and do um you know, woo sighs and I, you know, and, um, you know, but, but, and oh thank you for checking on me, Ros and you know thank you for checking on us, um. You know, so I, I was, I was, I was shocked, but I was, my heart was so full because, um, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't, to me I don't um I don't classify the exchange, the AACRAO exchange as a safe space, um, you know, because it has eyes and it has administrators. So, you know, just for people to get to go into that community, the black that black caucus community. Um, and, and just, you know, just dialogue the way they did. I just that that just made my heart so full. It really, really, really did. But yeah, you, you know, you don't think, you don't, you know, you think you're in something all by yourself and then you realize, you know, when people are checking on you and you know, they're like, oh, you're like, oh, people are, you know, people are thinking about me, they do know, you know, what I'm going through or or or how this might impact me. You know, and like you said, for that I'm grateful. I'm grateful for people for, you know, for my tribe checking on me because there's times where. I feel like I'm the one that has to always be the checker and, and, you know, and I'm and it it boils down to me not protecting my piece until it's too late, you know, until I, until the the pipe has burst and then, you know, Ros is not being Ros for the moment. So, um, so yeah, yeah, you know, we need to, we need to check on each other, we need to just. Love on one another and, you know, but we also do, you know, we need to guard our space. We need to be very proactive and, and you know, and we need to be there for, we need to be there for our students, we need to be there for our campus community. You know, it, it, yeah, |
| 0:42:02.90 | 13.9s | Portia LaMarr | this is, I saw this on TikTok and, and I don't know if we are winding down, but I think with what Ros said, and then it'll be a good closure, um. Scrolling through TikTok. That's what I do best, um, I, for |
| 0:42:16.82 | 2.1s | Ingrid Nuttall | now, for now, Portia, for now, |
| 0:42:19.17 | 0.8s | Portia LaMarr | what did you do when |
| 0:42:19.94 | 1.7s | Roslyn Perry | TikTok shut down for 6 hours? |
| 0:42:21.82 | 73.6s | Portia LaMarr | I know what happened? The longest 12 hours of my life, longest one. Um, I felt like, um, oh boy in Color Purple. I packed up my stuff, got my dividends out of TikTok, and moved on. Like, I go. Let me close this piano if you know you know that movie. But anyhow, um, I, um, I saw a clip from, uh, the show, uh, The Tap in which Whoopi Goldberg said she stated that However comforting this is, take it for what it's worth, but we've been here before. We've been here before. Granted, it was in the 60s, some of the 70s, but because we were here and the outcome that it produced was the fight. The fight to get black people seen, the fight to get women seen, the fight to get LGBTQ plus community seen. Incurred because of that. Mhm. So keep that in mind that we're here, we may be here again. But all you did was just light the full fuel for those that's the ministry to fight. So good luck. Maybe the odd to be ever in your favor. |
| 0:43:36.96 | 4.9s | Ingrid Nuttall | Um, Ros, thank you so much. Oh, |
| 0:43:41.87 | 1.7s | Roslyn Perry | thank you all. This was, |
| 0:43:44.27 | 0.5s | Ingrid Nuttall | this was |
| 0:43:44.75 | 3.5s | Roslyn Perry | great. This was great. I will not talk to y'all anytime. |
| 0:43:48.90 | 16.3s | Ingrid Nuttall | And um, Portia, I, it's really, I'm so glad that coming off of your award that you are still willing to be in conversation with us |
| 0:44:05.17 | 25.6s | Portia LaMarr | with us presents with us, with us. I, you know, OK, I don't know if you all listeners, I don't even know if you'll keep this, uh, Ingrid, but in my recording, obviously I, I, you know, Ros, Ros has been there from the beginning, pushing me and everything, so. Totally gave her her flowers, but I did not, not mention that I gained sisters within AACRAO and that was with you Ingrid and Tashana, |
| 0:44:30.78 | 7.7s | Ingrid Nuttall | so did um sisters forever. I mean, I have a sister, but I'll push her out for the 2. |
| 0:44:38.91 | 3.9s | Portia LaMarr | I do too, and I swear she calls me one more time and give me 3. |
| 0:44:52.85 | 15.1s | Ingrid Nuttall | Thanks for listening to another episode of Heard. We'd love to hear from you. Please send us an email at heard@aacro.org with any feedback you have for us or show ideas. This episode was produced by Doug Mackey. Thanks, Doug. |